Jawilder said on 28/Dec/22
@Canson At a low on an average day I’m 6’0 5/8. Extreme activity will push me to 6’0.5. I can get 6’0 3/8 extreme low but that’s as low as I will ever go.
Gian 181cm said on 28/Dec/22
@ Jdubbz
Thanks for the reply, actually what I tried to say was a complement, you were clear and polite.
In my opinion 180cm/185cm/6'0 has a lot of social convention that it is an ideal height, I can't understand that there is a perfect height, this is very subjective, some may argue that too tall a height is harmful to build muscle, but what if the interlocutor of this objection does not care? or if he is 1.95m and has excellent genetics for muscular hypertrophy?
I would not want to be less than 5'8 and more than 6'7, they are heights arbitrarily chosen by me, 5'8 would still be the average in my country and above 6'7 I feel that I would have a lot of difficulty finding clothes, shoes, car seats, etc.
I would like to be 192cm but the height range I quoted earlier would be my minimum and maximum. That's my verdict on height range and "ideal" height.
Alex 6'0 said on 28/Dec/22
6'2 is generally pretty tall but nothing uncommon. Ill see 6'2 range guys daily. 6'3 range becomes bit more rare but 6'4 true start of a smaller % of guys.
Alex 6'0 said on 28/Dec/22
Canson, yea pretty much. And in person we were eye to eye. The 1/2 inch we couldn't notice. In the one back to back pic you can see the slight difference.
QM6'1.5"QM said on 28/Dec/22
Alex 6'0 said on 26/Dec/22
Yeah, a real 6'3" is definitely tower men of 5'9-5'11".
6'3" tall still noticeable taller than 6'1", but 6'0" ... it's very debatable because we have some decent examples like Chris Evans & Chris Hemsworth. In my eyes it's solid height difference between these two. Different skulls, eye level, shoulders etc.
But 6ft and 6'3" both are tall heights. Lowest and tallest end of this range.
This photo below (2015),182.5 vs 190:
Click Here Black Noir said on 28/Dec/22
Hey rob do u think Stan walker is a strong 178.3 cm man or weak? Or is he 179 cm?
jokey said on 27/Dec/22
adrianjacobs said on 26/Dec/22
@Emil
I was measured by a doctor at the full 6'1, same thing or slightly less when I measure myself at home. I only say between 6ft and 6'1 because my eye level is 171-171.5cm. Any questions?
it's quite strange that you have an almost 6 inches eye level at 6'1.
@Rob is it possible to have it this low?
jokey said on 27/Dec/22
Peter 180cm said on 26/Dec/22
@ jokey My eyelevel is probably around 168,give or take half a cm depending on time of day and activity level (i drop down to a little over 179 at my lowest).My head size is probably 23.5cm i guess,but i meant big because it's rather wide and oval-shaped.
we have similiar measurements, except for the eye level. Mine is 5'7, i'm bang on 5'11 during the day and just under it at night.
TL said on 27/Dec/22
Hi Rob what do you think the heel height of these are?
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Editor Rob
Look like an almost 2 inch style, possibly a fraction shy of it.
rlheight5'11 said on 27/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
Enjoyed themselves 😏
My Christmas was quiet, I do not feel like it's Christmas anymore.

Editor Rob
In our house, Jenny had the time to put up her tree and some decorations, so felt more Christmas.
I'm not fussed about trees or decorations, I have memories of hours spent in youth putting trees together and all these decorations...turned me off them!
Poster said on 27/Dec/22
I don't believe in height and weight charts because they don't account for frames and muscles. A female athlete often weighs more than an "ordinary" female at the same height. I also think that the weights are too high for short girls. I think that an "ordinary" 5'0 girl should weigh a hundred pounds, and add five pounds for each additional inch.
Emil said on 27/Dec/22
@Adrian
I believe you're 6'1, but I find it silly that most people would guess you to be 5'9, I mean wtf.
Caleb 178.7cm said on 27/Dec/22
Click Here How tall is this Chinese girl? 183-184cm?
Jdubbz said on 27/Dec/22
SD172 said on 26/Dec/22
Objectively speaking a man who's at least 6'0 feet tall and weighs over 90kgs/200lbs(i.e. isn't rail-thin), is a BIG MAN.
At 6'0 tall you are taller than 88% of the human population...Imagine a room of a hundred people and only 12 are taller than you.
Rail thin for 6'0 would be under 150 lbs. 200 lbs is very much on the larger side for that height. Also, your numbers don't make sense when applied to most Western countries (where most people who post on CH live). 6'0 is on the taller side of average, but it's generally closer to 80th percentile than 88th. Looking at younger men, it's more like 75th percentile.
Also, there is a huge difference between being 2-3" taller than average (which 6'0 is) and towering over them. I would agree with the poster who said that 6'4 is the start of towering height. 6'0 is above average to tall (depending on your location and opinion), but not a towering height unless you're only around short guys and women.
Jdubbz said on 27/Dec/22
Peter 180cm said on 26/Dec/22
I appreciate your replies but from my perspective 187-188 is not really that much taller than average. I can see that almost every day(except when I'm not going out of home). I can also measure that height if i stand on my tip toes and it definitely feels much different but still not as towering as people think.
You're entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't make much sense. 6'2 is well over the 90th percentile of height in most Western countries and over 3" taller than you. You would be looking below a legit 6'2 guy's mouth. In a previous comment you state that you rarely feel average or below average (implying you're above average), yet you consider a height 8cm above your own to be merely above average? The logic doesn't make any sense. 6'2 is a full standard deviation (actually a bit more) taller than your height. I think you are downplaying the difference a bit.
KD92 said on 27/Dec/22
I measure 177.34 at 19.00 PM can I claim 5ft10
Jawilder said on 27/Dec/22
6’2 is a legit tall height. 6’3 you are pretty much the tallest guy in a room most the time. 6’2-6’3 is the point where you start getting comments on your height.
(Billythetreesurgeon) said on 27/Dec/22
180cm isn’t perfect, as you will feel shortish if your friends/family are mostly over 6ft… it’s still a lovely height though and no one can tell you it isn’t.. I’m a weak 6ft and am one of the shortest in my family so it all depends who you grew up with etc… The Uk is a pretty short country really, even though my eye level is only 5ft 6 at night (10 inch head) I’ll still feel fairly tall most of the time amongst the population
AverageSlovene said on 27/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee
No way its small, i have 170lbs and i am 184/5 cm.
Jdubbz said on 27/Dec/22
@Gian 181cm:
Sorry if my previous comment sounded insensitive, as I do truly believe that 180cm is a good height, and in metric countries it's definitely in the ideal height range (180 - 190cm?). That is a good point you brought up. I just always disagree when people say x height is THE ideal height, because it's such a subjective thing. Peter's comment for example could apply to any height between 5'10 and 6'2, so I don't know what makes 180cm the ideal height when you get the same benefits (or more) at 181cm, 182cm, 187cm, 188cm, etc. Obviously I'm not including my own height in that range as many guys would not want to be over 193cm, but I don't get what makes 180cm so special. I haven't been that height since I was 13-14, so perhaps I just cannot relate.
Happy holidays to you as well. I hope you have a great vacation.
adrianposter said on 26/Dec/22
My own height chart for young US/UK men (Let me know if you guys agree)
Under 5’3 = Extremely Short
5’3-5’5 = Very Short
5’5-5’7 = Normal Short
5’7-5’9 = Shortish
5’9-5’11 = Average
5’11-6’1 = Tallish
6’1-6’3 = Normal Tall
6’3-6’5 = Very Tall
Over 6’5 = Extremely Tall
Meltdown said on 26/Dec/22
@ Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 16/Dec/22
California is a short state? HA! What do you know about California? Since the 1930s it has attracted the many of the taller people throughout the world to be actors and models and heads of companies (males 6'0" to 6'3" and females 5'9" to 5'11". I have lived in LA for well over 15 yrs and I can tell you that aside from the first generation immigrants, the population is at least 1.5 inches taller than the 5ft 9.5 average we are told. I see women over 6 feet every day. Some look over my head in normal shoes and I'm 5'10 1/2"+ in sneakers. Come to LA for a few weeks and walk around in shopping malls and street fairs. You will see what I mean.
Meltdown said on 26/Dec/22
@ dreus23 said on 16/Dec/22
There's a few ways to do it. Since I am male, the two most common are:
Father's height + mother's height + 2.5 in/1 cm = son's height
OR simply add 5 to 5.5 inches to the mother's height and then average it with the father
Either way, I should have been closer to 5'7" and managed a solid morning height of 5'10" (178 cm). Yes, I definitely pulled height from my mother's mother's father who I am told was 6 feet in his youth (around the 1930s). My mother's father was 5'8" and my 3 generation paternal line was 5'3", 5'7", and 5'3". Also my father's mother was 5'0" in youth (now 4'9" at most) and her parents in youth were only 5'4" and 4'11". Short for their day, and tiny for ours.
If I could time travel like 80–100 years, I would be the equivalent to at least 6'4" to them. Funny to consider, seeing that I am merely average by statistics at best. Whatever! I did very good considering.
Rockaway said on 26/Dec/22
6’3.5“ is the start of very tall IMO. I’m a solid 6 ft and start to feel a little short around anyone that height or taller. 6’2 is noticeable that they are taller than me but doesn’t feel like that large of a difference. Not sure I personally would ever want to be taller than 6’2.5”
Darksol64 said on 26/Dec/22
Agree with jdubbz.
There is no single number you can put out as an ideal height. Now an ideal range? Sure. I'd say if you surveyed a bunch of girls to look at a lineup of guys and they were told their heights I would bet you'd find that the ideal range for attractive height would be between 5'11 and 6'4.
A legit bedtime 5'11 is noticeably taller than average and looks great. On the other end a proportional 6'4 can look equally great; with the added benefit of being much more imposing as he will nearly tower the 5'11 guy.
It's not a huge benefit over guys shorter/taller than this range, but I bet it gives you a slight edge.
rlheight5'11 said on 26/Dec/22
@Bobby
You should be used to C-Mo, don't you think? I mean, it's not as if he's new to commenting.
Canson said on 26/Dec/22
@Alex: so In essence, you’d be a solid 6 at a low and Jawilder is probably 6’0 1/2” at a low?
Progking185 said on 26/Dec/22
@Viper 6'2 can be quite common it depends, generally though still pretty tall. I find in places such as in some stores in my small town, 6'1-6'4 is the regular tall range where it looks tall but still fairly common, while other places that range can be the few tallest around. In some stores ive been the tallest at 6'0.5 until a 6'3+ guy comes in. 6'0 is pretty tall in general but won't feel tall all the time, with young guys around 5'10 average.
SD172 said on 26/Dec/22
Objectively speaking a man who's at least 6'0 feet tall and weighs over 90kgs/200lbs(i.e. isn't rail-thin), is a BIG MAN.
At 6'0 tall you are taller than 88% of the human population...Imagine a room of a hundred people and only 12 are taller than you.
Here are some examples:
Triple H who was around 6'2 hosted Mr.Olympia back in 2004, and he looked bigger than all the bodybuilders (including Jay Culter who's 5'9, and Ronnie Coleman who's 5'10) despite wearing a baggy suit that was primarily due to the fact he was over 6'0 tall here's the video:
Click Here Henry Cavill who's around 6'1 looks absolutely massive in this picture next to the cameraman:
Click Here Chris Evans who's 6'0 towers over Joe Russo who's 5'7 granted Chris Evans is much closer to the camera:
Click Here Okay looking at professional wrestlers and actors who portray larger-than-life superheroes isn't the best.
Let's look at Spiderman actors cause Spiderman is an everyman superhero:
Click Here Andrew Garfield who's 5'10 and a half(which is the average height in some WEST European nations)is visibly taller than Tobey Maguire who's around 5'8 and Tom Holland who's 5'6 and a half, both heights are average height for men in certain nations.
The idea that you have to be around 6'4 to be towering is strange statistically speaking of course.
@Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 25/Dec/22
is 170 lbs small for a 5'8 guy?
As a 5'8 guy, it depends on your frame and body fat percentage, I'd like to get down to around 167-170lbs in 2023
Clockwork said on 26/Dec/22
Hey Rob,
How tall do you think the guy is next to Luma Grothe who you have at 171.5 cm? His agency says 185 but it seems to be unlikely.
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Editor Rob
Hard to imagine him more than 3 inches taller there!
Alex 6'0 said on 26/Dec/22
6'3 will tower average men 5'9-5'10 range. Won't tower a guy 6'0-6'1
adrianjacobs said on 26/Dec/22
@Emil
I was measured by a doctor at the full 6'1, same thing or slightly less when I measure myself at home. I only say between 6ft and 6'1 because my eye level is 171-171.5cm. Any questions?
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 26/Dec/22
@Henrik
A 6'3 guy and 5'10 girl will tower over their respective genders.
Gian 181cm said on 26/Dec/22
Jdubbz
If you are talking specifically about the US/UK yes 6'0-6'3 is the ideal range as countries that don't use the imperial system would not mind these heights in that format so I would include 180cm in the desired height range in countries who do not use the imperial system.
By the way, I don't even consider it a question of being far from the average in this regard, but because of the fact that it seems "far from the average"
17xcm to 18xcm
5'x ft to 6'x ft
By the way, merry Christmas to you and everyone at CH, I'm on vacation because it's summer here so I'm coming in less than usual.
Peter 180cm said on 26/Dec/22
@ jokey My eyelevel is probably around 168,give or take half a cm depending on time of day and activity level (i drop down to a little over 179 at my lowest).My head size is probably 23.5cm i guess,but i meant big because it's rather wide and oval-shaped.
Peter 180cm said on 26/Dec/22
I appreciate your replies but from my perspective 187-188 is not really that much taller than average. I can see that almost every day(except when I'm not going out of home). I can also measure that height if i stand on my tip toes and it definitely feels much different but still not as towering as people think.
George89 said on 26/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee I'm 163lbs at 174-172.3cm and I definitely don't feel small at this weight for my height. I occasionally get comments on being well built. I've got a little bit of fat but mostly muscle.
Henrik said on 26/Dec/22
Towering height starts at 6ft 4 for guys and 5ft 11 for girls.
AK World said on 26/Dec/22
Hello @Rob,
How tall do you think Zachary Gordon (played Greg from Diary of a Wimpy Kid) is? Here's him with 5ft 6.75 Robert Capron.
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Editor Rob
Somewhere in the 5ft 8 range
Jdubbz said on 26/Dec/22
Canson said on 23/Dec/22
@Jdubbz and Bobby: I’ve seen much worse than Avi here with doing that. There was a bad poster who was banned and who was 6’2 and a bit they thought he was too tall and claimed that anyone over a certain height was doomed. You all probably know who I’m referring to (El Barto Longsleeve was one of his many aliases)
I'm not familiar with El Barto Longsleeve, but I think I know who you're talking about. Did his name start with W and end with 189?
AK World said on 26/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee 173 cm
170 for a 5'8" guy definitely isn't anywhere near small, it's pretty normal for 5'8".
jokey said on 25/Dec/22
Peter 180cm said on 25/Dec/22
@ Honest5'11 You're about half a cm taller than me and our guesses are pretty similar. Most people guess me either 180-181 or 183 as well. On "lazy" days i can maintain 180cm even after several hours, although i may look slightly taller due to my head size and long neck.
whats your eye level and your head size?
viper said on 25/Dec/22
Peter, you're wrong on 6-2. Its pretty tall and you don't see it all that much.
I'm 6-3 and I seem to tower over most
rlheight5'11 said on 25/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
I hope you and Jenny had a nice Christmas (day) 🎅🙂

Editor Rob
Yes, hope folk enjoyed themselves!
Poster said on 25/Dec/22
@Bobby: Ha! There are a lot of contradictions, in the same sentence, posted here. You see comments like "not many women are taller than 5'5, and you see many girls and women taller than that every day". What? My other pet peeve is seeing walls of text about boring and mundane things like morning height and quarter inches. The dullest posts tend to be the longest posts. Of course, I almost always post about female height, so I can't throw too many stones. Maybe C-Mo will post a dissertation about female height next.
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 25/Dec/22
is 170 lbs small for a 5'8 guy?
Black Noir said on 25/Dec/22
Peter 180cm
You’re coping if you don’t think 6’2 is tall, that’s taller than 95% of the human population, it’s still in the high percentile of heights even amongst youth. Pretty sure the average height for a man from 20-30 is 5’9 or 5’10.
Jawilder said on 25/Dec/22
Yeah I had been up since 6 am had maybe 2-3 hours of sleep passed out on a bathroom floor after clubbing, let’s not talk about it actually 🤣. By the time me and Alex had walked around I was bordering extreme low. We both said we felt super similar when we met. Alex guessed me at 6’1 and he wasn’t far off me either at all.
QM6'1.5"QM said on 25/Dec/22
Peter 180cm said on 25/Dec/22
You have to know that a real 6'2" man wakes up at 190-190.5cms. You're more than tall enough.
90% (93?!) of men will never reach this height!
You're already about 2.5 inches taller than average in the Netherlands.
From my perspective every 1/4" over 6'2" making you more standout, marked and really tall!
Yes of course, 6'2" is not a determination of "very tall", but "very tall" it's still about ~6'4".
Maahin Chowdhury said on 25/Dec/22
@Peter 180cm
My mate is around 6’2 and I can feel shortish at times next to him, my eyes come up to his lips. But yea I do agree that 6’2 isn’t very tall, is just a solid tall height. I think very tall starts somewhere between 6’3-6’4.
Jdubbz said on 25/Dec/22
Peter 180cm said on 25/Dec/22
C-mo may be right about saying 1.80 is the ideal height. Great for dating, clothing,most sports,everyday life in general. Looks 6 feet to most people and it's every man's "dream" when he is shorter than 1.75 because it's right in the cusp of average and tall.
Nah. 180cm is a good height, but ideal for most men seems to be in the 6’0-3 range, so perhaps 186 - 187cm. 180cm is a bit too close to average height to be considered ideal, IMO. If saying “looks 6 feet” is a perk, then wouldn’t 183cm itself be slightly more ideal? It’s not like those 3cm introduce any problems.
Bobby said on 25/Dec/22
@Peter 180 cm
The problem isn't the declaration itself since ideal height is subjective. The issue is that he keeps talking about 180 cm being the ideal height. It's obsessive and obnoxious. If you asked me, I think the ideal height for men is 6ft because it has all the benefits of being average height, but has the advantage of being considered tall everywhere you go. I like being able to blend in, which is why I love being 5'10, but if I were 6ft tall, it wouldn't be a big adjustment for me.
Progking185 said on 25/Dec/22
@Peter180 yeah 6'3-6'4 is more very tall. Around 6'2 looks tall for sure but not standing out much from a crowd. 6'4 is 6-7 inches taller than average which is quite significant so I think its definitely very tall most places
Peter 180cm said on 25/Dec/22
C-mo may be right about saying 1.80 is the ideal height. Great for dating, clothing,most sports,everyday life in general. Looks 6 feet to most people and it's every man's "dream" when he is shorter than 1.75 because it's right in the cusp of average and tall. I've never been considered short and rarely felt just average. But yeah, C-mo's obsession with something he cannot change naturally is repetitive.
Peter 180cm said on 25/Dec/22
@ Honest5'11 You're about half a cm taller than me and our guesses are pretty similar. Most people guess me either 180-181 or 183 as well. On "lazy" days i can maintain 180cm even after several hours, although i may look slightly taller due to my head size and long neck.
Honest5'11" said on 25/Dec/22
@MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 I've been guessed at 5'10", 5'11" and 6'0". I'm 180.0-180.2 cm after a few hours awake. Most people are suprisingly accurate or they add an inch to their height so they think I'm taller.
Peter 180cm said on 25/Dec/22
6'2 is not very tall. It's just taller than people think and noticeably taller than the average person. I don't feel dwarfed next to a height like that,for reference i have a wardrobe exactly 187cms tall or roughly 6'1.75 and sometimes think im pretty close to it from a bigger distance (couple of meters or a little more).190-191+ is where it really starts to stand out alot in my opinion.
Black Noir said on 24/Dec/22
Hey Rob I know I already asked but do u think Stan walker is more 179 cm or ?

Editor Rob
Wouldn't go over that from what I looked at.
AK World said on 24/Dec/22
Hello @Rob,
How tall does Kai Cenat look next to the tape measure?
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Editor Rob
TRicky one as I feel at the start he's not standing as tall...so might be 5ft 5
QM6'1.5"QM said on 24/Dec/22
Canson said on 23/Dec/22
It's only my opinion, but i think a real 6'2" is a bit very tall, this isn't my point or mantra, but 6'2"= 70% is tall, 20% is very tall, 5-10%= above average, "not tall" and other...
This height is not like yours or 6'5" guys or Jdubbz, but the average men and people are nowhere near to this tall (barefeet of course).
I'm generally 1/4" (6'1 5/8" in the evening) under 6'2" and if i could be legit 6'2"range then it's def making myself very solid tall or like "low very tall" or something like that, lol, because I've always seen 6'1"range as solid tall or classic tall.
Bobby said on 24/Dec/22
@Poster
I don't read every post he writes, but every time I come on to see what's new, I see his username glaring at me with the same content as before, "I think 180 cm is the ideal male height after thinking about it long and hard." Then he launches ad verbatim to this lengthy dissertation about proportions.
Then he comes back again to write the same crap. It bothers me so much because it's all he writes about. After that, he dares to downplay five-and-a-quarter inches, and he contradicts himself by noting the difference is significant but not huge. The two words are synonyms of each other.
Yes, I never took a blood oath to read everything he writes, but that doesn't mean I can't tell him he's being an obnoxious, obsessed cretin.
Crypto139 said on 24/Dec/22
Oh I think quality of sleep makes a difference too. I slept for over 8 hours for once and woke up at 8:40. Measured a tiny bit after 11:00 so near 2 and a half hours. Bang on 173.
Emil said on 24/Dec/22
Alex 6'0 said on 22/Dec/22
Gian, ive had guys 6'4-6'5 still consider me tall as well
@Alex
I have as well. I think guys at that height are just so used to towering everyone, so when they see someone within their eye level's reach, they consider you tall
Alex 6'0 said on 24/Dec/22
Canson, also when i met Jawilder in July we measured 6'0 5/8 and 6'0 1/8 at about 1pm. We couldn't even tell the 1/2 and most probably couldn't either on the street. The back to back shot you could see it but still looked pretty close
Alex 6'0 said on 24/Dec/22
Canson, i do agree totally if someone falls at X height and 1/4 normal low they can claim either one. At that point a 1/2 inch nobody gonna notice lol.
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 24/Dec/22
No one's ever guessed me shorter than I am. No one's even guessed me the height I am, always taller. 90% of the time I'm guessed at 5'10 and 10% I get 5'11 guesses.
Canson said on 23/Dec/22
@Jdubbz and Bobby: I’ve seen much worse than Avi here with doing that. There was a bad poster who was banned and who was 6’2 and a bit they thought he was too tall and claimed that anyone over a certain height was doomed. You all probably know who I’m referring to (El Barto Longsleeve was one of his many aliases)
Canson said on 23/Dec/22
@Bobby: I agree with you that C-Mo is unhappy with his height. I’ve seen other comments where he encourages people to claim a middle ground etc or round even when they are content with say a 5’10 1/2 claim if they are 5’10.6”. I witnessed him get demonstrative and tell someone they are 5’11 when they were 5’10 2/3 at a low. Not saying they can’t claim 5’11 but why can’t he claim 5’10 1/2”? That’s the same as me rounding down to 6’4 from 6’4.25” when he insists I’m 6’4 1/2”. Sure I can clsim 6’4 1/2 but I can also claim 6’4”. I think he writes rules for others to align with his principles to rationalize his own height. He got upset with Greg before because he considered him 5’9 when he’s 5’9.2-.3. Now Greg May have exhibited a bit of a double standard since he rounded his own height to 5’11 but C-Mo getting upset was because he wants to feel taller. C-Mo has every right to claim 5’9 1/2 but he was obsessed about it. If Greg hadn’t done the opposite with his own height, he’d have had a very valid case. And I remember C-Mo getting excited about having gained a small fraction here. That doesn’t change the perception of him from a view of him. He will still look what he looked before unless he changes footwear to give a slight boost
I don’t write rules but logic has to be in order
In your case it’s open/shut since you’re 5’9.75 at a low and 5’9 7/8 at lunch where Rob lists people here. You’re essentially going to get a 5’10 listing here or 5’9.75 worst case depending on when he saw you. But either way it rounds to 5’10”. You’re too tall to claim 5’9” and I wouldn’t even advise it
For someone like Jdubbz or me, we could claim 6’6/6’4 or 6’6.5/6’4.5”. Either or works but it’s primarily preference based. When you have taller friends like me, I don’t see the point and they claim their lows mostly. So I have a 6’2.75 at a low friend who was 6’3 peak and claims 6’3 still which is fair and a 6’5.25 friend at a low who claims 6’5 then one who is 6’6 at his low. So I claim 6’4”. Fact of the matter is that if I claim 6’4 1/2 or 6’4 it will not make a difference and the half isn’t necessary for me or Jdubbz. Christian claimed the half but it’s because he’s closer to it than we are and that’s a full centimeter above 6’5” which is where it gets to be noticeable.
Emil said on 23/Dec/22
@Adrian
You're getting guessed 175 cm when you're 184 cm? Sounds like you're spewing tall tales, m8
FiveNine said on 23/Dec/22
@Jdubbz — Both Avi and Connor were about 6ft in the evening and insisted on being
listed as 5’11+ … Research indicates there are some dudes out there who really do not
like being called a 6footer … Definitely is different from the norm
Jdubbz said on 22/Dec/22
In Avi’s case, you’re spot on. Someone mentioning the disadvantages of being very tall is fine with me.
rlheight5'11 said on 23/Dec/22
@Sandy Cowell
Nearly Christmas 🎄🎁
rlheight5'11 said on 23/Dec/22
Rob said on 16/Dec/22
I figured out why she liked watching Youtube on the Computer...I have adblock on, and the TV has ads at which she screams at me to 'skip'.
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YouTube show so many ads nowadays anyway and It's funny that she doesn't like TV ads. Just goes to show children pick up on things quickly.

Editor Rob
Also screams when she don't like the song or if I'm being too loud with my own singing 😆
Jawilder said on 23/Dec/22
I will never complain about my height. However, if I was 6’3-6’4 I’m sure I wouldn’t wanna go back down to my actual height.
Alex 6'0 said on 22/Dec/22
Gian, ive had guys 6'4-6'5 still consider me tall as well
Poster said on 22/Dec/22
@Bobby: You can just scroll through C-Mo's posts if they bother you so much. As far as I know, you didn't take a blood oath to read all of them. I just scan and skim on this board because many comments and subjects bore me, especially the repetitive dissertations that turn into walls of text over something like morning heights. I concentrate on the posts that interest me on the rare occasions that I find them.
Jdubbz said on 22/Dec/22
@Bobby:
Regarding C-mo, I definitely get where you’re coming from. Of course it’s ok for people to have their ideal height, but constantly repeating it, especially when much of the justification is highly subjective in nature, gets old quickly. My ideal height is around 6’5, but I’d never just constantly make posts about that because 1) that would sound absolutely insane to the average guy here, 2) while it’s a fantastic height for me, it’s objectively NOT ideal for the vast majority of people, and 3) Who cares about my highly subjective and biased opinion enough to tolerate repeated posts about that? Probably no one here.
In Avi’s case, you’re spot on. Someone mentioning the disadvantages of being very tall is fine with me. I’m not delusional enough to think that it’s all roses and sunshine. But when that person focuses on those negatives to the point that it’s almost all they post about, and do it constantly, that’s when it really starts to irritate me. Especially when they never once mention the upsides and exclusively focus on the downsides. It would be bad enough for a tall or very tall guy to do it, but it’s so much worse coming from a guy like Avi, because he truly has no experience to back up his opinions. The type of person who does that sort of thing is almost always immensely insecure about his/her height.
Peter 180cm said on 22/Dec/22
@ Maahin Chowdhury He's probably somewhere between 176-178 given that people guess him 175. Worst case scenario you're going to look 2-3cm shorter because of bad posture/maybe flat shoes. But yeah,an 184 guy with good posture and decent footwear is gonna look atleast 185 to the average person,if not 186.
Progking185 said on 22/Dec/22
@Gian181 yeah I can look 185-186, 1 cm isn't much difference
chad michaels said on 22/Dec/22
@Rob, how much do you think these shoes add?
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Editor Rob
First thought is 1.25...the insole will sit a big fraction underneath the high point of that outsole.
Alex 6'0 said on 22/Dec/22
6'0.5 getting tting guessed 5'9 thats insane. 90% time people will be guessed taller than they really are and if its shorter its within an inch less. I typically get 6'1-6'2 guesses. Occasionally my actual height. If ever guessed less its 5'11 and thats rare. Only once got an adsurd 5'8 guess.
Black Noir said on 22/Dec/22
You know what’s funny rob I bn waiting for u to answer haha mate thank you, u just gave one of our biggest celebrity a height! Cheers
Gian 181cm said on 21/Dec/22
@Progking184
Yeah, my barber is 6'4 and he was one of the few guys who made that comment considering me kinda tall.
6'0.5 isn't short close to 6'4 but starts to get above that in my opinion, however as heights of 6'4+ are relatively uncommon a strong 6'0.5 will look tall in most cases. places and will probably give an impression of 185cm at times.
Black Noir said on 21/Dec/22
Hey rob how tall do u think nz singer Stan walker is? For years I’ve tried finding or seeing celebrities that have a pic with him,

Editor Rob
At a quick glance I thought 5ft 10 was possible!
Bobby said on 21/Dec/22
@Jdubbz
I have a pet peeve concerning people who constantly repeat themselves. C-Mo has been talking about the ideal male height for at least five years now, and probably longer if he was here before I was. How is he not sick of rehashing the same topic all the time? The obsession behind this screams insecurity and toxicity. The former is because he's dissatisfied with his height on some level, and the latter is because he's unintentionally insulting people who are not that ideal height.
As for that Avi guy, I know the person you're talking about. If I was very tall, I would find Avi just as irritating. Although, I know others have brought up what they perceive as drawbacks of being very tall. I don't mind people who have opinions, but repeating opinions get stale.
Maahin Chowdhury said on 21/Dec/22
@Peter 180cm
I’m about as tall as you and I usually get guessed anywhere between 5’10-6’0. A 6’0.5 person being guessed at 5’9 is just bs.
rlheight5'11 said on 21/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
You get up way too early Imo and yeah your daily routine sounds too much. Perhaps it is necessary to you, from your perspective.

Editor Rob
One thing that's helped is slowly reducing and eliminating unnecessary stuff online.
Also, I feel I'm dealing with Time Thieves better as I age.
rlheight5'11 said on 21/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
That's a lot of layers but it is needed for bitterly cold weather especially fleecy clothing. I've noticed people with snood scarves on very cold mornings.
Jdubbz said on 21/Dec/22
@Honest5'11:
Lol, that’s what I’m thinking as well. A supposedly 184cm guy claiming that other people constantly guess him at 175cm and that other supposed 6’1-2 guys purposely downgrade themselves to 180cm? To top it all off, he feels below average at “184cm”? I wonder what’s more likely. Everyone else downgrading him and themselves, or that he’s shorter than he thinks he is (by a significant margin) and is upgrading everyone else to compensate. I’m going with the latter. Sweden is a pretty tall country, but not tall enough that a strong 6 footer would consistently feel below average. It ain’t the Netherlands.
adrianjacobs said on 21/Dec/22
@Henrik
You don't come across as a "medium-sized persona". It's just swedes being swedes. I honestly would have known that woman was from Sweden even if you wouldn't have told me.
Honest5'11" said on 21/Dec/22
Average for younger non shrinking Swedes (20s-40s) is a weak 5'11" and for females a weak 5'6".
Alex 6'0 said on 21/Dec/22
Vick, i really don't check my height much but possibly can hit that after full day of work plus gym. Last i got 5'11 7/8 post gym and work
Harold Green said on 21/Dec/22
Hi Rob,
Did you watch the FIFA World Cup before and how was the outcome for this match? For me personally, I was rooting for France to win but Argentina has beaten them in the penalties. I would say it was an amazing match and it was a really close match. Aside from the outcome of the FIFA World Cup, I would like to talk about this Argentina Player name Angel Di Maria who is a midfielder. There has been a mix of online sources that bills his height as either 5’10 or 5’11 (well most of them are 5’11). There are some photos I’ve seen where Angel is a bit taller than Mbappe but also a bit shorter than Mbappe and it does get really confusing on whether which one shows an accurate estimation. Angel does look around 3 inches taller than Neymar whom you’ve listed at 5’8 and also 4-5 inches taller than Messi whom is listed at 5’6.5. If I was to give my estimate on Angel Di Maria’s height, I would say he is definitely between 5’10-5’11 for afternoon height but I could say maybe 5’10.5 could be accurate for him. I would love to hear your thoughts on Angel Di Maria’s height whether you believe he is 5’10 or 5’11 range and if there are any other sources that you can find that matches well with his true accurate height, that would be great to share as well. I will provide some photos.
With Lionel Messi:
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Editor Rob
He could look near 4 inches taller than Messi.
Peter 180cm said on 21/Dec/22
@ QM6'1.5QM It's not impossible, it's just unusual. Once you get past 1.80 people actually struggle to guess accurately because they have to look UP to you while you're looking down mostly and that's confusing to some.
Peter 180cm said on 21/Dec/22
@ adrianjacons So you're basically 1.84 and have been guessed as low as 1.75? That doesn't make any sense at all. The shortest I've heard is 1.76 by a guy 8-10cm shorter than me. Maybe you really need to remeasure yourself properly imo.
Big Ben said on 21/Dec/22
Hello Rob. My teacher claims 197.5 cm, what do you think? I'm in the middle in the blue jacket and he's on your far right.
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Editor Rob
Not an unreasonable claim
Rockaway said on 20/Dec/22
6’0 - 6’1 getting guessed at 175cm? That doesn’t really make sense. Feeling below average also strikes me as odd. Average, I can see - for Sweden
Progking184 said on 20/Dec/22
@Gian181 yeah 5'11 range tends to look a bit above average even for young guys. I think to 6'4 guys 6'0+ generally would still look quite tall. Strong 6'0 would be a bit above their eyebrow. Some 6'2-6'3 guys thought I was around their height at first lol and I'm 6'0.5
Jdubbz said on 20/Dec/22
@Peter 180cm:
I agree, he’s likely closer to 175cm than 6’0. A lot of people who think the average is way higher than it really is (I believe he’s the one who thinks it is 6’1+ in Sweden, unless I’m mistaken), are shorter than they think they are. There is no way that he’s constantly guessed 7cm shorter than he really is. People aren’t THAT bad with height.
Jdubbz said on 20/Dec/22
@Bobby:
I feel you Bobby. C-mo doesn’t bother me, but I can understand how that would get annoying after a while. The only (unbanned) CH poster who really irritates me is that Avi guy, who has to post about how being very tall is so horrible at least a few times a year. He always vanishes when when I call him out and returns a few months later to do the same thing. Some people just don’t know how or when to keep their unwanted opinions to themselves, I suppose:
QM6'1.5"QM said on 20/Dec/22
Peter 180cm said on 19/Dec/22
Yes of course, Peter. The same with me.
Honestly, Adrian is sounds very confusing.
Back then at 6'1"flat i been guessed like 6'3" by 5 or 6times.
Tallest I've heard about me was over 6'3".
I just don't believe how real 6ft tall guy (normal body and straight spine) could be guessed at "175cms" ... It's impossible!!!
adrianjacobs said on 20/Dec/22
@Peter 180cm
It's usually the other way around in other countries than Sweden. That's what I was saying in my previous comment. People over here mostly underestimate height instead of overestimating like in America for example. I've been guessed as 190cm by relatives from an other country.
I'm also a pretty ugly and weird looking guy, which I think makes the "short impression" even stronger. Swedes are pretty shallow and unfriendly people if you actually get to know them, and I think that plays a role too.
I was measured at 6'1 by a doctor and it's only when I measure myself that it seems to be between 6ft and 6'1.
Henrik said on 20/Dec/22
@Jdubbz
6ft 7 (2 meters) would be seen as very tall or huge for sure, but not freak height or abnormal. I have distant family of that height myself. The brother of my cousin's wife is that tall (and their son seems to be taking after it, he was called huge when he was two). My 6ft 3.5 maternal uncle also told me that he wasn't the largest in my mom's side of the family, apparently. But being that tall isn't so common as you'll be guaranteed to see it in every environment, IMO.
6ft 5 can (196cm) also be seen as huge (my friend has been called The Hulk, but he's also largely built, though I'm sure his height contributed to it as well), while it's a bit more common to see.
Honest5'11" said on 20/Dec/22
@adrianjacobs LOL it looks like you're upgrading everyone to a taller height in order for the swedish average to be taller. It's probably 5'10.5"-5'11" or 179 cm - 180 cm like most of Scandinavia.
Henrik said on 20/Dec/22
@adrianjacobs
I live in central-east Sweden, but not in Stockholm. I feel kind of small next to 6ft 5 guys. Actually, I can even feel small next to my 6ft 3.5 (192cm) uncle. Guys who are steadily into the 190cms (6ft 3-5) I'm pretty used to.
A woman once questioned that I was 6ft 1.75 and thought I was more of a 5ft 11 guy at most, perhaps even 5ft 9. Maybe I come across as more of a medium-sized persona. But some people are quite bad at estimating height.
Vick said on 19/Dec/22
@Alex-How often do you get to 5’11.75 as a low? For me it’s 6 hours of sleep and walking all day
Gian 181cm said on 19/Dec/22
I feel short next to a person when my eyes are looking at the person's mouth, so in my case it would be somewhere around 6'3, but I can feel short-ish next to guys 6'2- 6'2.5 .
Ironically, I've been considered tall-ish by 6'3.5 - 6'4 guys, maybe because I can at least stand at eye level with them.
Bobby said on 19/Dec/22
@Jdubbz
It's not your fault. I've been secretly harbouring these feelings about C-Mo for a while now. It has become extremely tiresome. "Hey, everybody, I think the ideal height for a man is 180 cm because it's not too tall and not too short. Is anyone listening to me!?" It's how he acts any time he brings it up, again and again, and again. It's irritating. The first time he talked about it was interesting and perhaps a couple of other times after that, but now he sounds like a broken record.
Not to mention, he contradicted himself by downplaying five and a quarter inches when he said "it's a significant difference, but it's not huge." Significant means huge!
@Canson
I hear you. I'm done now. I just had to get all this off my chest because C-Mo has become an irksome presence on the forum now.
Peter 180cm said on 19/Dec/22
@Maskdemasque That's definitely not an anomaly. I live in an island and i see 175-180cm women very rarely so it really depends on the population of each area.
Peter 180cm said on 19/Dec/22
@adrianjacons You're probably not 6ft range if people guess you 175 often. It's usually the other way around. I'm 180 and the shortest I've been guessed is 178. 180-182 is what i get mostly and sometimes 184-185 which is definitely not the case.
Alex 6'0 said on 19/Dec/22
Jdubzz, yea i typically think of 12 noon for lunchtime height which is typically close to your normal low anyone but sometimes is your low if you're physical earlier in day. Depending on the day and activity i can fluctuate 1/4 inch at lunchtime
dreus23 said on 18/Dec/22
@Maahin Chowdhury
That's interesting, but it really just has to do with better nutrition unless there's other family genes contributing to a taller stature. For example, one of my friends has always been a tall lanky guy. 6'0 in 8th or 9th grade, 6'1 at 16-17, and will more than likely reach 6'2 when he's fully grown. His dad is like 5'9 and his mom like 5'4 if that. However, his maternal grandfather was a solid 6'3, so that's where he got the tall genes from. People just don't mysteriously get taller than what their genes allow them to get; those height genes have to come from somewhere
Bobby said on 18/Dec/22
@c-mo 176 cm
Listen, C-Mo, I have been silently putting up with your nonsense for years. For someone who thinks his height is decent, you spend an inordinate amount of time BSing about what you think is the ideal height for a man. It sounds like insecurity to me. You also downplayed five and a quarter inches even though your friend can see the top of your head. You act like you're above average height when you say nonsense like that.
Who's making assumptions about who? I'm not claiming anything. I am simply implying things, you're the one who's inferring this hogwash.
You literally just said the difference isn't huge after saying it is a significant difference. Which is it? Do you even know what "significant" means? The Merriam-Webster dictionary says: "of a noticeably or measurably large amount." The keyword is "large." What is a synonym of "large"? Let's consult the thesaurus now. Oh, look at that, another word for large is "huge."
Go back to kindergarten, buddy.
adrianjacobs said on 18/Dec/22
@Henrik
Which part of Sweden do you live in? I live in Stockholm and I'm somewhere between 6ft and 6'1. I feel below average for sure, so I can definitely imagine that you feel only average or upper average at 187cm.
I've also noticed the thing with being guessed as shorter than you are. People think I'm 175cm and I've seen countless amount of times guy calling themselves "1.80" when they look 6'1-6'2.
Jdubbz said on 18/Dec/22
@Henrik:
How would 199cm be seen in Sweden? Very tall, or just regular tall? In the US I can go a month or two without seeing anyone taller, but I'm assuming guys over 2 meters are far more common in Sweden.
Canson said on 18/Dec/22
Bobby said on 17/Dec/22
@c-mo 176cm
Yes, you do. You constantly talk about how your height is "decent" and play it up as being "good" even though you live in Germany, where the average German man is 180 cm tall. I know you're not German, so you're below-average height in Germany. Now, I know you're going to ask, "how is saying my height is decent or good the same as saying above average?"
@Bobby: it’s a waste of time and energy talking to C-Mo about this. He has spent his time on this forum trying to rationalize his height being good or bad. No such thing as good or bad height.
Jdubbz said on 18/Dec/22
@Bobby and C-mo:
Yikes...I didn't mean to start anything between you two.
c-mo 176cm said on 18/Dec/22
@Bobby
of course i win ...because you are talking nonsense . and you claim things about me that are not true . but if you think you are winning this argument then so be it ....think what you want
me saying that i feel decent at my height in germany does not mean / imply that i am above average .
also keep in mind that the 180cm fighre is for younger men . and likely mostly ethnic germans . and it is likely an earlier in the day measurement . i have always said that for young ethnic german men my height is at the bottom end of the average range . which is decent enough considering the fact that germans are one of the tallest people on earth . when you include all ethnicities and also not only young men then my height is solid average . among non germans my height feels slightly above average even
but it doesnt matter anyway . when i repeatedly said that my height is decent i just wanted to tell how my own height feels like when i was analyzing heights
and regarding my 189cm friend . as i said the difference is significant of course ...but not huge . i didnt mean to say that it is trivial ....just that he doesnt dwarf me
you should stop accusing me of saying stuff that i dont and stop your misinterpretations
and i am writing quickly and dont bother checking my grammar when i write ...i am not a nerd
Henrik said on 18/Dec/22
Sorry for the errors in my last post, I was typing from my phone.
Jdubbz said on 18/Dec/22
@Alex 6'0. I think lunchtime height usually means being up for 4-5 hours, though most people probably do mean 11am-12pm. It's all relative though. I can get up at 10-11 thanks to my current schedule, so most peoples' lunchtime heights would be my one hour out of bed morning height.
AK World said on 17/Dec/22
Hi @Rob,
How tall does this guy look next to Giancarlo Esposito?
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Editor Rob
Could be a bit shy of 5ft 7 there...although not knowing footwear of course.
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 17/Dec/22
@Peter 180cm
When I see women slightly taller than me I usually check out the footwear, so I'm accounting for that. Obviously 5'10 women aren't the norm, I never said it was. I was merely saying I see more 5'10 women than 6'3 guys in my area.
Bobby said on 17/Dec/22
@c-mo 176cm
Yes, you do. You constantly talk about how your height is "decent" and play it up as being "good" even though you live in Germany, where the average German man is 180 cm tall. I know you're not German, so you're below-average height in Germany. Now, I know you're going to ask, "how is saying my height is decent or good the same as saying above average?"
Well, my 'friend,' the answer is simple. Let's use some heuristics. You said your best friend is 189 cm tall compared to your 176 cm. I scrolled down for some contextual evidence and this is what I found, in your own words, "but he doesnt dwarf me nor is there a "huge" difference." I won't mention how atrocious your grammar is, but since you are trivializing such a significant difference in height you are suggesting that you must be above average height. Let's see, 189 cm is commonly thought of as 6'2.5 and 176 cm is 5'9.25. This means you are five and a quarter inches shorter than he is. The eye level of a 6'2.5 guy is 5'10, which means he is looking over your head. Yet, you don't think he's much taller than you are. That's ludicrous.
You claim I am hallucinating, but it's clear you are trying to downplay the difference between you and your friend. You are obsessed and delusional.
Back off, C-Mo. This is a match of wits you won't win.
Alex 6'0 said on 17/Dec/22
Lunchtime height is that 11am-12 noon we're referring to or is that a few hrs up?
Alex 6'0 said on 17/Dec/22
I'm really against claiming out of bed height which you're for under 5 mins and even 1/8 less you're for very short time. If you're up couple hrs thats not bad to claim since decent chunk lost.
Canson said on 17/Dec/22
@Jdubbz: yea that makes no sense what he’s saying to you but that’s typical with height especially when it comes to people either making themselves taller or claiming taller.
Maahin Chowdhury said on 17/Dec/22
@dreus23
Some people nowadays end up taller than their parents. I exceeded my genetic potential as well. My mum is 5’1 and my dad was 5’9, he’s 5’8 now. I’m 5’11 or slightly under it and my brother is 5’10. Apparently I was supposed to end up between 5’7-5’8, probably cuz of my mums height.
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 17/Dec/22
@Zaratustraelsabio
I'm from England. In Gloucestershire. No I'm not accounting for heels, I'm talking barefoot height.
Peter 180cm said on 17/Dec/22
@MaskdeMasque 5'9.5 5'10 women are not the norm,maybe they're more like 174-176cm but wear boots with bigger heels. In fact, guessing someone as about an inch taller than he/she is pretty typical because of footwear and posture/hair etc.
Alex 6'0 said on 17/Dec/22
Jdubzz, yea you could say 8 inches plus is start of legit dwarfing. Yes that guy at gym was listed 6'11 on his college basketball team but he looked more like 6'10. I was truley dwarfed.
ZDA said on 17/Dec/22
179 cn 5 ft 10.5, is probably the start of above average/tallish range, at least in the U.K. minimum.
Jdubbz said on 17/Dec/22
@John185:
I'm not assuming anything, I'm just telling you what I've noticed from the people I've talked to irl and on the internet who use "around" or "about" to describe their height. Obviously not everyone who uses "around" is rounding up, it just seems to be the case more often than not. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter.
"You wrote your username height as 198.8cm on this site which is a hair over 6'6.25, so you could claim just over 6'6, or 6'6 and a half. There is no need for you to say "around 6'6" or for me to say "around 6'1"."
I'm not sure what your point is here. I don't use "around" and have never been a fan of that because of how vague it is. My username is very precise because this is a height forum, but I just claim 6'6 irl. Specifying a fraction or saying just over 6'6 is kinda meaningless in my case because it's not like the average person can notice the difference anyways.
Henrik said on 17/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee 173 cm
The average height in Sweden in 2008 was 181.5cm (5ft 11.5) for 20 to 29-year-olds and 166.8cm (5ft 5.5) for females. It's 178cm (5ft 10) and 164.6cm (5ft 5) for all age groups (20-74).
Sam83 said on 17/Dec/22
That’s true, maybe I was not standing up straight, and probably just didn’t feel as tall as usual around people who are normally a lot shorter than me! I know one girl claims 5’7 and she had some super high play for heels on which I guess would have put her close or taller than me. Maybe similar to these
Click Here Would be interesting to see if anyone had pictures of comparison to people without heels and then really high pairs to see what the difference change is like!
It was also in the evening, so maybe I had lost a few mm ;)
AK World said on 17/Dec/22
Hello @Rob,
What do you think is the height difference in this photo?
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There's a tilt favouring guy on right, but guy on left has thicker sneakers (but maybe a bit looser stance?). That's a case if you saw them standing talking together it would probably be easier to tell if it was nearer 4 or 3 inches.
UEDO said on 16/Dec/22
Rob, if I am 5'10 1/4 around 12 hours out of bed, what listing would I get online? 178.4cm? 179.1cm?

Editor Rob
You might be closer to 5ft 10.5 at lunch, so a good shout you could get a 5ft 10.5 listing.
Black Noir said on 16/Dec/22
Hey rob would u argue then that Chris williamson is 5’10?

Editor Rob
With Uncle
Joe, I would have said a bit shy of the mark.
John185 said on 16/Dec/22
Jdubbz said on 14/Dec/22
@John185:
"Saying "around 6'1" implies that someone could be a bit over or a bit under, not simply that they are rounding up."
In theory yes, but in my experience, it is far more common for people who use "around" to be rounding up than rounding down.
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If someone says for example "around 6'0" then they could be rounding up or rounding down. You can't simply assume they would be rounding up.
At 6'0.75 I just say 6'1. I could also say "nearly 6'1".
You wrote your username height as 198.8cm on this site which is a hair over 6'6.25, so you could claim just over 6'6, or 6'6 and a half. There is no need for you to say "around 6'6" or for me to say "around 6'1".
chad michaels said on 16/Dec/22
Hello Rob, how much do you think these shoes give?
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I reckon the insole on that model actually sits quite close to the upper part of the outsole, so no less than 2 inches. 2.25? Would not be surprised.
Meltdown said on 16/Dec/22
@ Darksol64 said on 15/Dec/22
I agree. When it comes to average height ranges, a 5.5–6 inch height differences is the beginning of towering. This is because one man—even if he were a female—would still be the same height or taller than the other man. This is the psychology behind dwarfing. Even the female-converted interpretation of his genetics is larger.
But as you drop down to much shorter heights where 4.5–5 inches is the differential between men and women, that becomes the new dwarfing standard, and likewise for taller people, it could be 7 inches plus that becomes the standard.
I think in general any heights times 1.09 or greater of the same gender becomes the minimum threshold for dwarfing. Some could argue it to be 1.1 to be safe. That is very reasonable.
Example: 5ft 9.5 × 1.1 = 6ft 4.5 dwarfing height.
Or 5ft 9.5 ÷ 1.09 = dwarfs 5ft 3.75
Zaratustraelsabio said on 16/Dec/22
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 9/Dec/22
I swear i see more 5'10 girls than I do 6'3 guys even though statistically they should be very similar.
Where do you live?... Do the 5'10 girls are wearing heels?
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 16/Dec/22
Gian 181cm said on 16/Dec/22
@Meltdown
I think this strikes me as a hasty generalization and cherry picking.
Try doing some research on where you live for more reliable information.
Yeah, that guess doesn’t seem accurate to me. California especially is a relatively short state, so an overall 5’10.5 - 5’11 average seems too high (unless he’s only interacting with upper middle class and upper class white dudes).
rlheight5'11 said on 16/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
Yes, we take too few of them especially considering how much time people spend working and raising their children. The importance of breaks probably isn't taken seriously enough
The reason I took time off and claimed furlough was because of someone else in my household, I'll leave it at that. After 6 weeks of furlough, I returned to work.. haven't took a break ever since.

Editor Rob
Yeah one thing I absolutely do NOT recommend is doing a job that is basically every day like I do.
Most people would eventually breakdown or burn out from that kind of schedule.
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 16/Dec/22
Probably 5'10.5" is the average height in Sweden. What do you think
dreus23 said on 16/Dec/22
@Meltdown
If ur mom is 5'6 then I'm pretty sure you just got her genes. That's pretty much the equivalent of a solid 5'11 guy. Sure your dad is short but if you use the traditional formula, dad's height+mom's height+13 divided by 2 then your predicted height really isn't 5'7 tops, more like 5'7-5'8. I guess you exceeded your genetic potential by a bit, but you might as well just have gotten ur mom's genes
(Billythetreesurgeon) said on 16/Dec/22
Sam83@ I measure 182 at night ( not tall not short ) and I’m taller than most girls in heels, you sure you are standing up straight? If I go into town in the day time I’ll more than likely see girls over 6ft without heels on in a busy town
rlheight5'11 said on 16/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
Hands in pockets is more my style nowadays and my job is within walking distance anyway so it does not bother me much. Unless walking home with shopping but gloves were something I wore a few years ago and during my school years. Hats have always seemed too big and uncomfortable for me.

Editor Rob
If it's bitterly cold and I'm out and about I wear my fleece pyjamas underneath my trousers, and a t-shirt, fleece top, hoodie and decent winter jacket, plus hat and gloves.
Gian 181cm said on 16/Dec/22
@Jdubbz
I had a colleague who was 6'4 and from the point of view of a 181cm guy he looked much taller than me, sometimes I seemed to be at eye level with him but I still felt a lot of difference.
He looked to be 194cm tbh, he just told me he was over 190cm.
Gian 181cm said on 16/Dec/22
@Sam83
Kinda rare for me to see women with this heel. I remember going to a party and there were a lot of women with heels that were 3-5 inches tops and so they were closer to the average male height.
In general the women I met at parties who were close to my height were wearing sneakers, usually tall women 5'7-5'8 were in heels but a maximum of 3 inches which made them very close to my height.
I should be 183 - 183.2cm in my sneakers.
However if most women wear 6.5 inch heels they will outperform most men. In high heels anyone gets tall lol.
Canson said on 16/Dec/22
@Meltdown: I guess whatever floats your boat
Gian 181cm said on 16/Dec/22
@Meltdown
I think this strikes me as a hasty generalization and cherry picking.
Try doing some research on where you live for more reliable information.
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 16/Dec/22
@Meltdown
Are you from UK? Im same height as you basically and I feel solid average in gen pop. If I was surrounded by 18-25 year olds I would probably feel low average tbh.
Sam83 said on 16/Dec/22
Hi all, I’m 181cm and wondered how often you guys see girls (with or without heels) who are taller than this? I’m sure heels are getting higher, such as these!
Click Here I was at a house party recently and all the girls were wearing heels (I had taken my shoes off) and a lot felt close to my height or taller, when they don’t usually feel anywhere near my height! Has anyone else had this before, when someone shorter than you suddenly come close or taller than you when in heels?!
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 16/Dec/22
Difference of :
- 1 inch = similar height
- 1.5-1.75 = a bit taller
- 2.75 = solid difference
- 3.5 = good difference
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 16/Dec/22
Alex 6'0 said on 15/Dec/22
Mask, thats debatable it depends. 4.5 usually you'll see top of their head which is towering to some. Sometimes i feel 5-6 inches is start of true towering
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I think a 6'0 guy has a eyelevel nearer to 4.6 inch, easily, not 4.5", it is more common for 5'9 guys.
6'2 guys around 11.7-8 cm
Jdubbz said on 16/Dec/22
@Gian 181cm:
That's a very interesting point. I've noticed that old guys tend to have much higher shoulder levels (or rather shorter necks) for their height. I can't tell if it's because of more exacerbated forward head posture (which is common along old people) or rather actual cervical shrinkage. Or maybe a combination of the two.
Jdubbz said on 16/Dec/22
@ QM6'1.5"QM:
Exactly bro. I agree with you 100%. Physical appearance aside, just look at the difference 5" makes in terms of percentile. You go from 50th percentile (5'10) to 95th percentile (6'3). Or 95th percentile to 99.95th percentile (6'8). For every 6'3+ guy, there are 10 5'10 guys. For every 6'8+ guy, there are 100 6'3 guys. It's a crazy difference, especially when you're already far from the mean. It's basically a 2 standard deviation difference, which is gigantic.
I also think that a 5" difference looks more significant when it's between people of the same gender. A man being 5" taller than a woman doesn't look that huge because it's the standard height difference, whereas a man being 5" taller than another man is very very noticeable.
Darksol64 said on 15/Dec/22
I'm in the camp that thinks 4-5 inch difference is where it really starts to seem alot. Even 2-3 inches at times.
Towering? Maybe 5 inches isn't quite towering but it's close. 5.5 to 6 inches above average really does start to tower though, because the shorter guy be almost eye level with the bigger guy's shoulders which will make you feel short for sure. For example legit strong 6'2 guys like Jack Coleman or Alan Ritchson standing next to Rob. Hell, at almost 6'2 I feel short looking at the lower nose of a 6'4 guy.
This changes a little as the heights go up and body dimensions change; I've seen where a 6'5 guy is still easily looking over the shoulders of a 7'0 guy so it doesn't appear as towering as 7 inches between a 5'8 and 6'3 guy. As you go down it would look even more towering; like an average 5'9 guy next to a 5'2 girl.
QM6'1.5"QM said on 15/Dec/22
It's only my opinion. Ok. It sounds like 5in is nothing and nobody feels and can't read men mind... sometimes even 3/4" or 1in it's like space and earth. This is so funny. If 5in isn't that big difference then 5'3-4" tall guy is ”still average" and not that small compared to regular normal people of average height ...
I really don't like heightism, but nobody thinks like that and man like Rob, a solid 5'8" (1/8), will just towering someone of 5'3-4" tall!
Or just imagine Tom Cruise being 5in taller.
Meltdown said on 15/Dec/22
@ Canson said on 10/Dec/22
I claim my morning height barefoot which is 5ft 10. During the day I'm a strong 5ft 9.5 and by early evening I usually dip to 5ft 9.25.
Why do I claim my morning height? For starters, it's really my raw height each day so I'm not lying. Also 5'10 sounds much better than 5'9 ½ to everyone. Plus most guys my height claim 5'11, so common knowledge is skewed. All good reasons if you ask me. In sneakers I'm a solid 5ft 10 ½ afternoon height. About 5'11 in my cargo boots.
Meltdown said on 15/Dec/22
@ Sinclair said on 10/Dec/22
I must have gotten very lucky. My father was no more than 5'3 (now maybe 5'1 at age 60) and mother nearly 5'6. I was supposed to be 5'7 tops and grew to 5'10 morning height. Big difference if you ask me!
Most of my grandfathers of the 20th century were 5'3 to 5'8 peak height range, so I am the second tallest out of all of them for 4 generations and still barely avg height by today's standards.
Meltdown said on 15/Dec/22
I was just thinking I wake up 178 cm, and most of the day I'm 176.5–177 cm.
In a group of 10 men aged 20 to 55, on avg about 6 will be taller and 3 will be shorter. Or maybe sometimes 5 will be taller, 3 shorter, 1 my height. Point is I am a strong 5ft 9 ½ afternoon height and rarely if ever feel a solid avg like we're always told. And honestly I usually claim about 5'10 which is my daily morning height (5'10 ¼ on good days).
So maybe avg height is to closer 180+ cm morning/179 cm afternoon. Possibly so. I'm in So-Cal BTW.
Jdubbz said on 15/Dec/22
@Bobby
Yeah, I'm not too sure either. Of course C-mo is entitled to his opinion, but I think that kind of a height difference is extremely noticeable and getting really significant. I don't feel THAT much taller than people who are 12-13cm shorter than me, but only because I'm so used to it and because most people are even shorter.
That kind of a height difference doesn't seem so large when the average man is 23cm shorter and the average woman is 36cm shorter, but objectively speaking I still realize that it is. On the very rare occasion I'm around a guy who is 12-13cm taller than me, that difference feels absolutely huge. I'm just not used to being eye level with someone's chin. It's pretty unsettling, in all honesty.
Jdubbz said on 15/Dec/22
@Alex 6'0:
Yes I think I would tower over a solid 6 footer like you, but I definitely wouldn't dwarf you. A guy would probably have to be over 6'8 to dwarf a 6 footer. I remember a while back you posted a picture of a 6'9-10 guy next to you at the gym. I think that kind of a difference is when you really start to dwarf somebody.
I agree, a 6"+ difference is towering. A 4.5 or 5" difference is really big, but I think you can say that you tower over someone when you're clearly looking over their head. At 4.5-5", you may be eye level with their scalp, but if they have any sort of thick hair, you're not gonna be looking over. At 6" you definitely will.
One thing I noticed is that the height difference seems less significant when you're the taller one. I know I'm much taller than 6'0-2 guys, but sometimes it feels like people near my eye level are "close" to my height. On the other hand, on the rare occasion I'm around a 7 footer, I feel pretty tiny. I bet 5'6 people feel tiny around a solid 6 foot guy like you.
c-mo 176cm said on 15/Dec/22
@Bobby
i have never tried to play my height as above average ....wtf are you talking about
and i said that my 189cm friend is significantly taller than me ....i did not once claim that the difference is trivial ....can you read ? or are you just trolling ?
hallucinations should be treated my friend . or just clean your glasses and read my posts carefully
rlheight5'11 said on 15/Dec/22
@Rob
It looks like you're having fun there 😄 and your computer setup kinda looks nice and cozy.

Editor Rob
I figured out why she liked watching Youtube on the Computer...I have adblock on, and the TV has ads at which she screams at me to 'skip'.
Gian 181cm said on 15/Dec/22
Rob, considering a person close to your height, would it be an indication that an older person has lost height when they have the same shoulder level as you?
I met an older person and he looked about 5'11, I felt his cervical spine was more inclined but I'm not sure.
He looked healthy, so I'm guessing he could have been 5'11.5 at his peak.

Editor Rob
In some cases it might indicate that, as the older you get the more likely you'll find issues with kyphosis in upper spine.
Alex 6'0 said on 15/Dec/22
Jdubzz, you're example of a guy who would tower me. Solid 6 inch difference id prob come up to middle of your nose. I feel i definitely tower 5'6 guys. 2 at my job are 5'6 or slightly under. I tower them
Alex 6'0 said on 15/Dec/22
Mask, thats debatable it depends. 4.5 usually you'll see top of their head which is towering to some. Sometimes i feel 5-6 inches is start of true towering
Black Noir said on 15/Dec/22
Hey rob sorry I searched up guy Sebastian on ur page and the man has a page, but hey check out that Chris Williamson guy who has a podcast. How tf does he look 6 ft with Andrew ??
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Editor Rob
Chris might be gaining 1cm with forced 'rising on one foot' posture, but yeah he appears at least 5ft 11, which against other folk I would never have thought possible.
AK World said on 15/Dec/22
Hello @Rob,
What is the difference between "strong" and "weak" heights?

Editor Rob
I'd class myself as a strong 5ft 8, being a little bit over that mark. A weaker 5ft 8 would fall to 5ft 7.5-7.75 range, so the difference should be half inch at least between the two.
Jawilder said on 14/Dec/22
@ Progking185 do you really drop to 6’0.25 at a low? You shrink more than a full inch some days. We both wake up same height but I hardly, if ever, drop below 6’0.5.
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 14/Dec/22
I feel about a 4.5 inch difference is the start of towering. I have a 6'1 range buddy and whilst he is significantly taller than me I dont feel he towers over me. 6'2 guys definitely do though.
Jdubbz said on 14/Dec/22
@John185:
"Saying "around 6'1" implies that someone could be a bit over or a bit under, not simply that they are rounding up."
In theory yes, but in my experience, it is far more common for people who use "around" to be rounding up than rounding down.
Jonus said on 14/Dec/22
I wake up a very strong 186cm in the morning, 186.6cm on good days - so just shy of 187cm. I’ve had days where I went out and walked long distances and my back even hurt, and I still ended up measuring 185cm - so part of me suspects I can reach 187 in the morning. So even as a weak 187 in the morning I’ve gotten 185 flat after such strenuous activities.
Im going to try an experiment though and try to get my MAX morning height. Maybe I can reach 187 in the morning. I need to have a day where I drink 2.5l of water for my discs. I’ll go to sleep early as well. Hopefully I can get 187 flat in the morning! I’ll update.
Bobby said on 14/Dec/22
@Jdubbz
As a 177/178 cm guy, I feel there is a noticeable difference between myself and a solid 188/189 cm guy. I have no idea why C-Mo thinks the difference between him and a 189 cm guy is so trivial when the difference is close to towering.
He's always trying to play his height as being above average but keeps talking about the ideal height. I stood next to genuine 6'4 guys, my eye level was at their neck area. That was a towering difference. I wasn't dwarfed, but the difference was significant. By C-Mo's logic, the difference is trivial.
c-mo 176cm said on 14/Dec/22
@Jdubbz
well i guess it is a question of how you define these terms
13cm is significant difference but it is not a huge difference . look at Rob with Evander Holyfield :
Click Here or with Eric Balfour who funnily enough looks similar type wise as my friend and also heightwise he is close lol :
Click Here thats the same difference i have to my friend . signficantly taller yes but not a huge amount
but i noticed something long ago . the difference between a lets say 162cm man and a 175cm man is WAY more striking and big than the difference of lets say a 177cm man and a 190cm man even if the difference in CM is the same . simply because after you hit a certain height (around 174cm or so in my experience) then the difference to taller men is not striking anymore as below that height
i know it sounds weird but that is actually true trust me
Poster said on 13/Dec/22
@Jdubbz: That sounds right or close to it. It might depend on the region since there are certain situations that account for height discrepancies. We have a "short neighborhood" here, for example. It seems like the girls average 5'3".
@Maadhin Chowdhury: That's a good rule (five inches) when it comes to men and women. Of course, it's dependent on location. Dutch women are shorter than Dutch men, but they're taller than Indonesian men, who are taller than Indonesian women. The five-inch rule applies in both countries.
Progking185 said on 13/Dec/22
@QM6'1.5 yeah a legit 6'1 guy would measure around that morning. Yeah 6'0.75 night min as generally height loss from midday to evening is like 1/8 or 1/4 inch. I wake up 6'1.25-6'1.5 but if I was a fraction taller I would consider myself a good 6'1. I'm more of a weak 6'1 and 6'0.5 night.
c-mo 176cm said on 13/Dec/22
180cm and 193cm is not a huge difference . let alone dwarfing
my best friend is around 189cm (so we are around the same difference as 180 vs 193) and he is clearly taller than me by a good amount and he is also clearly a tall guy and taller than most men . but he doesnt dwarf me nor is there a "huge" difference . and when he are barefeet or when he doesnt wear thick shoes when we are in shoes i dont even look up all that much when we talk face to face
the difference seems more striking and what you might call "huge" (and even then thats a strong word) only when we walk on an uneven ground where i am on the lower side (saw that a few times on windows as we walked) and especially when he wears his thick shoes in that situation
a 180cm man wont get "dwarfed" easily
Kvnggb said on 13/Dec/22
i've a met some 6'6 guys, i asked one to guess how tall i was, and he guessed me at 6'4 maybe from his perspective the difference isn't that much lol
John185 said on 13/Dec/22
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 13/Dec/22
@John185: I think “around 6’1” also implies a bit of a round up. Someone over 6’1 (who doesn’t claim 6’2) would probably say just over 6’1, 6’1 and change, 6’1-2, etc.
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Saying "around 6'1" implies that someone could be a bit over or a bit under, not simply that they are rounding up. The phrase "nearly 6'1" is always interpreted as being under.
"Just over 6'1" would mean up to 6'1.25, so I think the word "around" is a bit redundant in this context. It's probably better to just say 6'1.
Progking185 said on 13/Dec/22
@JDbubbz also for 1-2 inches that's generally around the same height to a lot of people. 1 inch difference can look the same sometimes, it depends, while 2 inches is a noticeable but still kind of small difference
Progking185 said on 13/Dec/22
@JDbubbz yeah 5 inches is quite significant but not really towering. 3-4 inches is very noticeable but still not too much difference(I.e 6'0 kind of holds up well next to 6'3) while 5+ inches is at or below eye level. 6-7 is kind of towering though, like an average 5'9-5'10 guy next to a standout 6'4.
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 13/Dec/22
@Italianguy
yeah, 200 cm is the start of giant or solid abnormal height
QM6'1.5"QM said on 13/Dec/22
It's only my opinion, but for me a real 6'1" guy is waking up at 187cms and going to the bed at 185-185.2cms (evening, barefoot for sure). I think height pattern like Mark Gatiss or Cristiano Ronaldo.
Perfect height of course. The best of both worlds!
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 13/Dec/22
@Poster:
I think it’s between 5’4 and 5’5, maybe slightly closer to 5’5. The average white guy is 5’10, and there is usually a bit over 5” between average male and average female height. I’d guess 5’4.5 - 5’4.75 for the average American WW.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 13/Dec/22
@John185: I think “around 6’1” also implies a bit of a round up. Someone over 6’1 (who doesn’t claim 6’2) would probably say just over 6’1, 6’1 and change, 6’1-2, etc.
rlheight5'11 said on 13/Dec/22
Editor Rob said on 2/Dec/22
This is my current computer setup: Click Here.
Unfortunately I don't get much work done when the Nipper comes by as I made a mistake last month of having Youtube on and the Nipper spotted it...now she demands we sit and watch Bounce Patrol songs instead of doing work 😄
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I didn't get around to clicking your link, the link no longer works..
Yeah they're entertained by songs like that lol.

Editor Rob
rlheight5'11 said on 13/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
-9? I feel bad for you 😄
Good thing you don't live in Aberdeenshire!
The weather recently has been freezing, its not too unusual for December. (I researched more into it)

Editor Rob
I was out at 7.30 this morning going shopping and couldn't believe folk without hats or gloves. Really was that cold, I had 3 layers plus thick jacket , hat and hood.
Maahin Chowdhury said on 13/Dec/22
@Poster
I think for young women, it’s somewhere between 5’4 and 5’5 probably 5’4.5 just like with young men, the average is 5’9.5. Men are 5 inches taller than women on average. I don’t live in the US but I think the average over there is probably similar to the UK. I doubt the average is higher than 5’5.
John185 said on 13/Dec/22
Progking185 said on 12/Dec/22
@Chris185 I am a similar range to you, maybe just below 6'0.5 some nights. I go with the middle at 6'0.75/185 when claiming my height, and just say I'm around 6'1 to anyone who asks. You can say anywhere 6'0.5-6'1
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The problem I have with the phrase "around 6'1" or "about 6'1" is that it doesn't seem quite as accurate to me.
"Around 6'1" could mean that you're anything from 6'0.75 - 6'1.25, whereas if you say "nearly 6'1" people might assume something approximating 6'0.75/185cm. But I agree that you can basically claim 6'0.5/6'1 or anything in between.
Progking185 said on 12/Dec/22
@Chris185 I am a similar range to you, maybe just below 6'0.5 some nights. I go with the middle at 6'0.75/185 when claiming my height, and just say I'm around 6'1 to anyone who asks. You can say anywhere 6'0.5-6'1
rlheight5'11 said on 12/Dec/22
@Editor Rob
Honestly, I never used to contradict myself. When compared with before, if that makes any sense. It is probably something you have noticed, as well as other posters.
Times have been tough, I still remember taking time off before claiming furlough 2 years ago due to personal reasons. Generally, I have too many "lazy" days which could be taxing for me overtime.

Editor Rob
We all need breaks, I don't think we take enough of them.
Glacierr said on 12/Dec/22
Hi Rob, how tall would you guess the Swedish musician Bladee his fans usually say he is 6’0-6’2 but in this photo:
Click Here Bladee is the one on the right with the blue hoodie and the guy on the left with the green hat says he is 178 and bladee is 180 I can see Bladee being around the 180 mark

Editor Rob
That is a tricky photo...I would have thought 181-2 might be arguable.
Poster said on 12/Dec/22
What's the height of the average American white woman in her twenties? I think that it's 5'5 now in many places. It might even be higher or lower in a few places. A 5'4 average seems too short in 2022.
Gian 181cm said on 12/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee 173 cm and Jdubbz 198.8cm
I have the following conjecture.
We can define what is normal height from the heights that are considered height anomalies, the minimum height to be a carrier of dwarfism would be less than 1.45m and the minimum height to be considered a carrier of gigantism is 2.30m.
Therefore, in this reasoning, any height in the range of 1.45m to 2.30m can be considered normal for a human being. Is it an absurd difference? Yes, but it seems right to me.
In this case, normal height would be in this range, which could be extremely and unusually short or extremely and unusually tall, but still normal.
In case I'm assuming something more objective, subjectively the person may have problems with height hormones and in case she has an abnormal height for her age or something like that.
@Daniel Lee 173 cm
I've worked in the health area in the administrative and documental part and I don't remember having seen this, I've seen a patient listed with 2.20m and there was no sign of danger or abnormality with height in the medical record.
rlheight5'11 said on 12/Dec/22
-15 in Scotland, I feel sorry for Rob❄️
colder than usual for December, I think.

Editor Rob
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 12/Dec/22
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee 173 cm:
Some of your categories are pretty accurate, but descriptions like “too short”, and “too tall” are highly subjective. Descriptions like “midget range ” and “end of the normal person” are unnecessary and frankly a bit dehumanizing. You could be a bit more tactful in how you describe those heights.
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If you see medical sources, the described to people over 190 cm as "anormal height or not normal height". I think it starts above 6'5.5", but i can see how short people or women see to 195 cm guys and above as "giants"
Gian 181cm said on 12/Dec/22
@Mr Mister
If 187cm is your low for the night I don't see why not claim 6'2.
Gian 181cm said on 12/Dec/22
@chris 185ish
I would go with about 6'1 with your measurements, or at least 6'0.75. In the decimal system it was just say 185cm, in the imperial system you have that choice.
There are many 6'0.5 guys here who are in the 186-184cm range, but for me they are 6'0.75/185cm, however I just respect the claim.
c-mo 176cm said on 12/Dec/22
@MrMister
i would claim 188cm if i were you
John185 said on 12/Dec/22
chris 185ish said on 11/Dec/22
morning height is 6' 1.25 and night height is 6' 0.5. what should I claim?
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I'm 6'1.5 in the morning and 6'0.75 (184.8cm) in the evening, and I just round up and claim 6'1.
You could claim 6 feet and a half an inch if you like. But given that 185cm is the average of your tallest and shortest measurements, I would claim 185cm or nearly 6'1 if I were you.
Peter 180cm said on 12/Dec/22
@Canson Most people are not 6'4 range and feel more comfortable measuring and claiming in shoes because they would always choose something extra in terms of size/height. It's dishonest and inaccurate but what can you do about it? Morning height atleast is more accurate as it is a very valid measurement. But when you're over 190 does it really matter? Definitely not.
Peter 180cm said on 12/Dec/22
@MrMister You're obviously 187cm. I would claim almost 6'2 if i were you.
MrMister said on 12/Dec/22
First thing in the morning my height is about 6'2.25. In the evening I'm 6'1.75. Sometimes I fall as low as about 187cm range. With that said how tall am I during the day? I've always claimed 6'2
chris 185ish said on 11/Dec/22
morning height is 6' 1.25 and night height is 6' 0.5. what should I claim?
rlheight5'11 said on 11/Dec/22
@Sandy Cowell
It's just as well! And yeah pets probably don't like this freezing weather. Maybe a white Christmas, same thing is said every year anyway.
Gian 181cm said on 11/Dec/22
@Jawilder
6'1 is a good guess for you, at least a weak 6'1. I think your brother can beat me depending on the time of day, I already measured 5'11 3/8 at the beginning of the night but usually 5'11 1/4 is more likely, and with the gym I can get to 5'11 1/8 .
@Jdubbz 198.8 cm
Agree, the environment is much better.
Progking184 said on 10/Dec/22
@Maahin Chowdhury young white average is measured at 178 cm, though thats morning height. I think 177-177.5 cm is more average for them from what ive seen in Canada, otherwise yeah 176-177 for all young men
chad michaels said on 10/Dec/22
@Rob, How much do you think these add?
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Editor Rob
They look a style that gives 1.5-1.6 range...the insole will sit a fraction under the highpoint of the outsole.
Kieran_s said on 10/Dec/22
At the end of the day my eye level is 161-162, what height do you think people perceive me as throughout the day?
(Billythetreesurgeon) said on 10/Dec/22
Jawilder@ does your brother get guessed at 6ft sometimes?
Sinclair said on 10/Dec/22
Rob, could the fact I hardly ate throughout my childhood have stunted my growth?
I am just a bit confused. My mother peaked at 5’8”, my father at 5’11”, me at 5’10”. Based on my tall parents, I should have peaked taller (six feet according to online height calculators). It is also rare for a son at his peak to be an inch shorter than his father.

Editor Rob
You could have expected 6ft+, 5ft 10 is still within the lower range of what a Doctor might predict.
c-mo 176cm said on 10/Dec/22
@dreus23
thanks mate :) well i am a good analyzer :D hehe
and yes 171cm is not that short . can feel and look average(ish) at times even and it is definitely different than 168 and below . it is also a pretty common height
by the way @Rob
i have a question . this night i slept "only" like 6 hours . woke up at 8 something . and we have almost 21 now so almost 13 hours that i am awake . i didnt lay down at all . i was sitting mostly but also did some intense cardio at home for 17 minutes . and i went to the grocery store and came back 20 minutes ago . i measured myself at around 175.5 - 175.6 cm
is that close to my extreme low ? because some time ago in even more harsh circumstances with being awake for even longer + weight training + grocery store carrying heavy packs home i measured 175.4cm . on relaxed days my low is rather 175.7 - 175.8cm . (but i have to add i use the can method and i think i lose a tiny bit of height with it because i have to lean forwards a little so it touches my head and cant stand totally straight therefore . my guess is that i lose 2mm or so. not quite sure though) . so would you say 175.5 - 175.6 is my extreme low or close to it ? thank you

Editor Rob
That sounds like your extreme low.
Gian 181cm said on 10/Dec/22
@c-mo 176 cm
Interestingly, his height range is relatively in line with this study
Click Here Simply put:
Click Here The average was 178.4cm considering Europe, Australia, North America and East Asia, and 186cm (+1SD) and 171cm (-1SD). Just guessing, but from what I understand it didn't say what time of day the measurement was taken, so 177.5cm might be an interesting guess.
Considering the standard deviation to build an argument of what would be tall and short (considering the cited regions and 177.5cm average) we can conclude that 6'1 is the beginning of tall height (or at least 6'0.5 strong) and short for 5'7.
1 SD - 7.58cm
0.5 SD - 3.79cm
168 - 171cm - Low end short (1 SD)
173 - 174cm - Short-ish (Half SD)
177.5cm - Average height
181 - 182cm - Tall-ish (Half SD)
184.5 - 186cm - Low end tall (1 SD)
Clearly I adjusted, tall-ish would be 5'11 3/8 and I put it as 181cm and tall would be 185.1cm and I adjusted it to 6'0.75 or 6'0 5/8, the same goes for short-ish and short, and it also has my opinion, I'm not necessarily saying that this is the right model.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Gian 181cm:
Celebheights is pretty entertaining when there is some drama going on, but overall I love how much more chill the site has become now that many of the trolls and instigators have been banned.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Tajaun:
It seems like the average SD for male height varies wildly depending on the source. I’ve seen anything from 2.5 - 3.0, even for the same country. I’m not sure what to believe at this point.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Daniel Lee 173 cm:
Some of your categories are pretty accurate, but descriptions like “too short”, and “too tall” are highly subjective. Descriptions like “midget range ” and “end of the normal person” are unnecessary and frankly a bit dehumanizing. You could be a bit more tactful in how you describe those heights.
Canson said on 10/Dec/22
@Jdubbz: lol the problem is we are in the minority. Most people would knowingly use their shoe height or even round from 1/4” to the next full inch which is reaching and it’s ridiculous just to make themselves talller. And I’m sure the morning/evening argument would become an excuse at one point or another as I’ve heard a couple people outside CH say before that you’re true height is in the morning. I don’t agree with that for a couple reasons.
1. If I told my bosses I could only work in the morning, instead of the full 8 hours or even more being an executive where I work, would I still have a job? Probably not
2. Doctors would require someone to sleep in a bed in a hospital and measure you first thing if it were
3. Morning height isn’t verifiable except if everyone else claimed it. but afternoon is or midpoint etc
4. Height is vertical not horizontal. Morning height comes from laying down whereas your lunchtime or afternoon comes from standing and being on your feet
5. Your afternoon/evening is a longer period of the day. If 7-8 hours onward that’s almost the entire day if 16 hours.
That said I claim my afternoon as well. But I know that Bobby3342 has said it before that we are 6’4 and change guys (closer to 4 than 5 however) that get guessed 6’6 because we are in sneaks at times that add 1.5” especially with an orthotic in my case. But that’s because people claim their shoe heights freely and I even see nurses insist you don’t take your shoes off and worst of all a form for a medical provider I saw online said height in shoes? That’s the most ludicrous of them all and I say that because your height in shoes doesn’t take into account your true body fat measurements and shoes aren’t part of your body.
But I have had several appointments where the nurse either told me they can estimate the height that I am based on shoe thickness or not to take my shoes off. I didn’t oblige and I even asked how she will estimate it? She said she can and I told her that you don’t know how thick the shoe actually is and I do wear an orthotic. I took them off however and put it to rest. And she learned because I wasn’t as tall as she thought I was. I told her that the practice of shoe measurements is lazy. Then my wife was measured in hers and she wound up being penciled in as 5’9” somehow one time when she’s a weak 5’8”. Shes near 5’7 3/4 and we’ve gotten 5’7 5/8 before once although she doesn’t measure often maybe once a year or every couple. But most of her Medicals are 5’8” and she claims almost or about 5’8” or a bit under 5’8 usually. And I claim 6’4 and list myself on my license at 6’4” and my medicals say 6’4 for the most part (one or two have 6’5 because I was 6’4 5/8 once early in the day and 6’4 1/2” maybe once or they didn’t measure me and used the previous one). I didn’t used to get measured every time but now I do and I make sure I do it around the same time of the day I would claim my height to validate it and it’s within the same realm almost consistently
Canson said on 10/Dec/22
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 9/Dec/22
@Jawilder:
The 70 year old probably hasn't measured himself in a while. He might not have realized that he shrunk, so he's still thinking that he's the same height he was 10 or 20 years ago. He was probably 6'1-2 in his prime. That could be why he thinks you're taller than you really are.
@Jdubbz and Jawilder: that may have been the case with this guy who guessed me 6’6” along with the fact he claims his listed height in baseball more likely than not. He’s prob 5’10 today and maybe in his prime was 5’10 1/2 or 11. I knew someone else who did that recently to my 6’5 friend where he said he had to be 6’7” when he’s a very strong 6’5 guy (6’5 and change and exactly an inch taller than me). In his case, however, he doesn’t claim the 1/4” he just claims 6’5 which is consistent with how it was 15 years ago or so when I first met him. The other guy was around 6’0 but claimed 6’2”
adrianposter said on 10/Dec/22
@Antoine I noticed that most kids in my high school stagnated in growth around sophomore-junior year, that’s why I’m not too sure about boys stopping growing at 18.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Jonus: Oops, I meant it starts at 6’0.5 for a 5’9.5 average, not 5’9.
dreus23 said on 10/Dec/22
@c-mo 176 cm
I think this might be the best height chart I've seen so far. I also think you described my experience as someone around 171 pretty accurately. I'm not taller than all women, but definitely most. A typical situation in a crowded room in my school, there's maybe one or two guys shorter than me, but typically most guys are at least a tid bit taller than me. It's not exactly rare that I'm the shortest guy in the room, but it's typically not that noticeable. I also reached the conclusion of solid average being anywhere from 178-179, it's pretty amazing how much we agree on! I would put 165-168 and 169-172 in separate categories though, there's defo a difference there
Sepanta said on 10/Dec/22
Hi Rob, when will you add Matt and Jeff Hardy?
It's been really long
Tajaun said on 10/Dec/22
@Jdubbz I've seen SD's for countries as low as 6.2 cm (a bit less than 2.5 inches). In Scandinavia for example,the SD is quite low.
Gian 181cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Leesheff85
That's good to hear. I've seen some people say that in CH there are a lot of people insecure about their height when in fact I would say that it's a minority, we only discuss height, and when someone tries to cyber-bully they're soon banned.
Wishing you were tall or 2 inches taller doesn't mean hating your current height.
Gian 181cm said on 10/Dec/22
@Jdubbz 198.8 cm
No problem, my name is Italian haha
I'd say I feel tall compared to the general population, estimates say 5'8.25 - 5'8.5, so I'd say I'm at least in the tall and tall-ish crossover.
Now with people my age I would say tall-ish and sometimes above average, 181cm definitely doesn't stand out, I feel like I would need 185cm+ to start feeling far from average.
The tendency of young people is to get even taller, I think it will take a few years to reach 5'10 for young people here where I live.
@Progking185
It is a tall height, 184.5-185cm I consider it as the beginning of the height when the average is 5'10, I remember he measured 6'1 but he was in thin slide shoes during the night. Here the average is about 5'8.5 and he stands out, it's the equivalent of 6'2 in Canada and some US states.
Jawilder said on 9/Dec/22
@Gian I would say half my guesses are 6’1. The other half 6’0 and 6’2. You are my brothers height. He is 5’11 3/8 at a low. I’m 6’0 5/8 low
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 9/Dec/22
@Jawilder:
The 70 year old probably hasn't measured himself in a while. He might not have realized that he shrunk, so he's still thinking that he's the same height he was 10 or 20 years ago. He was probably 6'1-2 in his prime. That could be why he thinks you're taller than you really are.
Moneymaker! said on 9/Dec/22
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
5'5"-5'7" is short
5'8 below average
5'9"-5'10" average
5'11" above average
6'-6'2" tall
6'3" borderline very tall
6'4" very tall
Leesheff85 said on 9/Dec/22
Who gets to say what's "too short or too tall for people" I'm a five foot six man in his late 30s and it's never been an issue not in my 37 years and now I embrace it. I'll admit that's not always been the case and I used to hate it but this site in the most parts has really got me to see we are all different shapes and sizes and should love our differences not resent them even if I did only realise that on my 30s
Peter 180cm said on 9/Dec/22
@ winkler189cm Don't obsess about it too much.Most guys your height round up to 1.90 anyway and get away with it really easily. I would probably choose 188 or 189 with your stats.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 9/Dec/22
@Jonus:
The SD for men is quite a bit larger than 2.5". Looking at a few height calculators and various countries, it ranges from 2.92" to 2.95" for guys. That would mean tall technically starts around 6'0.5" for a country with a 5'9 average.
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 9/Dec/22
Jdubbz 198.8cm
I feel in the UK average guy is my height and average girl is about 5'4.5 so I feel there's a five inch difference. Plus I looked on tall.life and it says 5'10 is 97.9th percentile and 6'3 is 97.5th. so it's very close.
Progking185 said on 9/Dec/22
@Gian181 yeah I'm that height as well and usually feel quite tall, especially lately in some boots I appear more 6'1+. My 185 claim is about my afternoon height, low maybe 183.5-184 on active days but idk. 1.25 inches isn't much though you should feel tallish
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 9/Dec/22
@MaskDeMasque 5'9.5:
That's interesting, for me it's the opposite. Also, I thought 5'10 girls were equivalent to 6'4 guys? I could be wrong though.
Jdubbz 198.8cm said on 9/Dec/22
@Gian 181:
Ohh I see, my mistake bro. Because of your name I assumed you lived in Italy. I can definitely see the average for young Brazilians getting close to 5'9. It seems like younger generations in general are getting taller. Do you feel tallish at 181cm in your state?
Gian 181cm said on 9/Dec/22
@Jawilder
What guesses do you usually have?
As I recall you are a weak 6'1/strong 6'0.5 you are my friend's height he is 6'0.75 at noon but he claims 6'0.5 he it is quite honest with the height. He always stands 1.25 inches taller than me, I would say here he is solidly tall.
Antoine said on 9/Dec/22
Rob, my nephew has been 176cm for about 1 year. He is almost 15 years old. He does not appear to have gained height in over a year. Will it continue to grow or has it reached its maximum height?

Editor Rob
There can be periods in which growth is dormant, but a year is pretty long.
Whilst you'd expect some more growth, there is a smaller proportion who are finished by 15. The vast majority still put on more height though.
Gian 181cm said on 9/Dec/22
@Jdubbz 198.8cm
Ah yes, that's what I thought and I agree, 190-192cm is much more common than 195cm - 197cm, and 200cm+ is definitely rare.
I remember seeing guys 6'4-6'5 on college campus but 6'6 I remember seeing at a bar with some friends.
I'm Brazilian of Portuguese and Italian descent xD, the average here in my state is officially 174cm, in 2008 the average height of young people was 174.2cm and today I imagine it's 175cm. I saw that some American states can have averages of 5'10.5 and Minnesota was one of them, California was a state with relatively low averages. Here the tendency is for the states further south to be taller in stature, but in general it ranges from 5'6 to 5'9.25 and with averages of 5'8.
And yes you are a young guy lol I am under 25 currently.
@Jonus
If the average is 5'9.5 then 5'11.5 is tall-ish and 6'0 is tall?
Harold Green said on 9/Dec/22
Whoops from my previous comment, I was meant to say 4 inches not 6 inches lol
c-mo 176cm said on 9/Dec/22
i calculated average heights of european countries in the past and the result was something between 178 and 179cm like 178.6 or something . i think it was without older men in it .
if we would go by evening height i think something like 177.5 or maybe 178cm is the average height for a young guy in europe
imo 177.5cm is a good figure for it
and based on that PLUS what i personally with my experience / eyes looking at people i would say heights are like this :
165cm and below or 164cm and below somewhere around there you are noticably short for a man . you will almost always be the shortest or one of the shortest guys in a group . most people will instantly think about your height being short when they meet you . you might get short jokes from people especially buddies or toxic women and you are shorter than most men (97% ?) . i would say that somewhere around 158 - 159 "extremely short" starts
166 - 171cm = imo this is the standard short man range . the typical short dudes you see in a fairly common amount daily anywhere . however 170cm and especially 171cm you could rather call "shortish" ...because it is not THAT much below average and with good posture / proportions / thick sneakers etc. a 5'7 guy can look somewhat averagish and he will also be taller than around 50-60% of women
172 - 174 cm = these heights are the buffer zone between short and medium imo . below average but not really "short" yet . 174cm could arguably be also labeled as weak average
175 - 180 cm = medium range . the bottom of it might feel / look slightly shortish at times and the top will look / feel a little tallish sometimes
181 - 183 cm (maybe 184cm too) = these heights are the buffer zone between medium and tall imo . above average but not enough to be "tall" yet . 183cm (especially 184cm) could arguably be also labeled as weak tall
185cm - 190cm = typcial tall range . typical tall dude you see in a fairly common amount on a daily basis anywhere
191 - 193 = buffer zone again
194 - 199 = very tall
200+ is huge
MaskDeMasque 5'9.5 said on 9/Dec/22
I swear i see more 5'10 girls than I do 6'3 guys even though statistically they should be very similar.
Daniel Lee 173 cm said on 8/Dec/22
In my experience, the average young male height is 5'9.5"
So, for the young generation:
160 cm - 162 cm start of the "normal person"
163 cm - 164 cm too short
165 cm - 166 cm strong short
167 cm - 169 cm short
170 cm (5'7 flat) - 171 cm below average (not average or short)
172 cm - 173 cm weak average
174 cm - 179 cm solid average
180 cm - 181 cm weak average
182 cm - 183 cm above average (not average or tall)
184 cm - 186 cm tall
187 cm - 189 cm outstanding tall
189 cm - 192 cm very tall
193 cm - 194 cm too tall
195 cm - 197 cm end of the "normal person"
198 cm - 199 cm semigiant
i think the giant range starts at 200 cm, the midget range ends below 160 cm
Personally i see a good amount of women paying attention to guys below 193 cm or at least 170 cm
A smaller amount of them have a strong preference for 180 to 188 cm guys.
Jake: 1.84 m- 1.85 m said on 8/Dec/22
Also, Israel Broussard (Happy Death Day) and Casper Ruud (2 grand slam finals appearances) deserve pages...
Harold Green said on 8/Dec/22
Hi Rob,
I just would like your amazing height insight on this famous American Hip Hop Producer name DJ Clark Kent who I believe looks around 6’2-6’3. When standing next to Joe La Puma( who is aComplex Host and looks to be around 5’10) does look taller than Joe by at least 6 inches. He does however look like he is a bit taller than Jay-Z (not sure by how much) and there are some pics of him with Kanye West and wale as well. I would like to hear your insight on if he does look at least 6’2 or closer to 6’2.
With Joe La Puma:
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Editor Rob
Looking at a few more photos on his instagram, yeah I can see the idea he's somewhere in 6ft 2-3 zone, also held up well beside
Michael K Williams Jonus said on 8/Dec/22
I've googled the average height of a man and I get 5'9 and 5'10. So logically I just go with the average between the two and go with 5'9.5 as the height of the average man - So if you are a solid 6'0.5 at a low, you are strong tall because it's a solid 3 inches taller than the average man.
If you are 6'0 flat then you are also tall because it is one standard deviation (2.5inches) taller than the average man. You have to be a whole SD taller than the average man to be in the tall club.
5'9 175cm - average - can feel a little below average at times
5'10 178cm - strong average - will rarely ever feel short
5'11 180cm - above average - can feel tallish at times
6'0 183cm - tall - knows what it feels like to be tall
Jake: 1.84 m- 1.85 m said on 8/Dec/22
Hey Rob, a few height suggestions below:
- Noir actor Paul Douglas (listed 5ft 11, starred alongside Widmark in a classic)
- Gerardo Celasco
- Daniel Zovatto (mentioned before but definitely deserves a page)
- JJ Feild (the Peripheral)
- Nicholas Hamilton
- Adam DiMarco
Jawilder said on 8/Dec/22
@Canson “maybe I’m not 6 feet then” 🤣🤣🤣. I’ve actually had quiet a few height related encounters recently. This 70 year old guy I play tennis with is my height, or within a fraction. Another guy who we play with, in his 30s, is 6’3 and randomly said “you are 6 feet right?” I said yup. The 70 year old said no way that I’m only 6 feet, I have to be at least 6’2. I said well I’m actually 6’0-6’1. He still didn’t believe me. Next time we play he legit brings a measuring tape and measures me 🤣. Swear to god. He got me at 6’2 in shoes. I was prob 6’0.75 barefoot.
Another two guys I play tennis with are 5’9 and 5’10.5. Both claim that height and would measure it, very honest. They both guessed me at 6 feet when I’m clearly at least 2 inches taller than the 5’10.5 guy. I’ve been getting a lot of 6 feet guesses recently which shouldn’t be strange but sort of is for me. Alex can attest I’m a weak 6’1. I’m a solid fraction over 6’1 in the morning.
Peter 180cm said on 8/Dec/22
@Bobby I remember back when i was 15 i was measured 180 with shoes at a doctor's office for a physical. I was probably 178-178.5 back then but still claimed the 180. Noone called me out so at that point 1-2cm is really not that visible.